Wednesday, October 14, 2015
joni mitchell - "sweet bird"
"Somewhere with your wings on time
You must be laughing
Behind our eyes
Calendars of our lives
Circled with compromise
Sweet bird of time and change
You must be laughing
Up on your feathers laughing"
Jiddu Krishnamurti, Rupert Sheldrake, David Bohm (subtítulos en español)...
this..is a wonderful and enlightening discussion. my brain stopped a few times ,
even my heart, sometimes i smiled, sometimes i thought..well, all kinds of stuff.
To be free....
possible and not possible.
possible only through what i wish to call love.
and possible only including acceptance, even
acceptance and knowledge and awareness of conditioning
and one's own animal nature.
Acceptance does not mean not to be able to go beyond.
Not to need another one is not my way,
not to be my true self is not my way,
and each ego must be respected for what it is.
you must love yourself, your self, before you can love another one.
freedom in one's seclusion is certainly not true freedom.
freedom of....is not freedom, not for me.
freedom is in seeing what one has never seen before:
to listen to the other one, to be able to walk out in innocence.
Even Krishnamurti contradicts himself again and again.
He "is" society but he radically opposes tradition.
There is for me no sense in opposing tradition:
there is no sense in opposition at all.
freedom i see rather in not minding tradition, walking out,
and following only one's own way, to grow, to be on the path of love
and consciousness , mindful, wherever it may lead to.
for sure i just love Krishnamurti's exposure of the psychologist's approach
to human suffering, really often a way to keep people in suffering,
a culture of fertilizing a perpetual egocentric life.
egotism and egocentricism are too very different matters,
and i feel confident that Krishnamurti does not want us
to be crucified. Hard listening.
The definition of ego is again another thing.
The position of the human mind above all other living
beings in the universe we can see is again another matter,
quite uncomfortable to me.
We are born out of the womb of the universe:
not above it.
"How will you help me to go into myself so deeply
that i understand and go beyond?" (Krishnamurti)
Then he says how to find true security...
why? Why not accept a degree of dependence
and live with it? He comes out with his own truth....
Spiritually seen: another matter.
In life: again different.
Life means to mature enough to be able
to go along with insecurity
and to trust, i don't want to say in God but....
even my heart, sometimes i smiled, sometimes i thought..well, all kinds of stuff.
To be free....
possible and not possible.
possible only through what i wish to call love.
and possible only including acceptance, even
acceptance and knowledge and awareness of conditioning
and one's own animal nature.
Acceptance does not mean not to be able to go beyond.
Not to need another one is not my way,
not to be my true self is not my way,
and each ego must be respected for what it is.
you must love yourself, your self, before you can love another one.
freedom in one's seclusion is certainly not true freedom.
freedom of....is not freedom, not for me.
freedom is in seeing what one has never seen before:
to listen to the other one, to be able to walk out in innocence.
Even Krishnamurti contradicts himself again and again.
He "is" society but he radically opposes tradition.
There is for me no sense in opposing tradition:
there is no sense in opposition at all.
freedom i see rather in not minding tradition, walking out,
and following only one's own way, to grow, to be on the path of love
and consciousness , mindful, wherever it may lead to.
for sure i just love Krishnamurti's exposure of the psychologist's approach
to human suffering, really often a way to keep people in suffering,
a culture of fertilizing a perpetual egocentric life.
egotism and egocentricism are too very different matters,
and i feel confident that Krishnamurti does not want us
to be crucified. Hard listening.
The definition of ego is again another thing.
The position of the human mind above all other living
beings in the universe we can see is again another matter,
quite uncomfortable to me.
We are born out of the womb of the universe:
not above it.
"How will you help me to go into myself so deeply
that i understand and go beyond?" (Krishnamurti)
Then he says how to find true security...
why? Why not accept a degree of dependence
and live with it? He comes out with his own truth....
Spiritually seen: another matter.
In life: again different.
Life means to mature enough to be able
to go along with insecurity
and to trust, i don't want to say in God but....
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